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Poster: He Live's Date: Jan 24, 2009 7:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: OH SURE -- I'LL STICK UP FOR BOBBY -- i don't mind....

hey - calm down man!

i was propping those jams, not trying to make a point out of not listening to them.

i know perfectly well what i am missing. 89-91 were the only shows i went to. generally the sound doesn't appeal to me, especially after BRENT died, and a lot of what i have heard is appallingly bad -- honestly, even in 1990 i knew it wasn't all that good.

of course, with the GD, there are bound to be diamonds in the rough.....

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Poster: clashcity Date: Jan 24, 2009 8:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: OH SURE -- I'LL STICK UP FOR BOBBY -- i don't mind....

Hmmm.. I didn't mean my tone to be interpreted quite like that. I'm calm, just don't understand how many just swear it off like its not worth even listening to...

Wasn't directed directly at you.

But I do agree there is more mediocre to pretty freaking bad in those time periods but there are some really brilliant moments and entire shows that IMO stand up with some of the "sweet spot" stuff.

I get that the sound may not speak to everyone etc. I just don't get how it can't.

This post was modified by clashcity on 2009-01-25 04:29:45

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Poster: He Live's Date: Jan 24, 2009 11:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: OH SURE -- I'LL STICK UP FOR BOBBY -- i don't mind....

too much MIDI. too much bad keyboards. too little listening and interacting among the band members. some things they did better than ever. they could play some isolated songs better than ever.... but in general, jerry's voice was shot.

the grateful dead REPORTED FOR DUTY from 91 on. went to work if you will. sure, they were going to work in 68, 72 and 77 too -- but there were many, many honest moments of groundbreaking discovery and moments of "mass transcendence" in the first 10 years that grew progressively more rare in the last 15.

i really liked bobby's version of MASTERPIECE, hell, i'll even say that TOUCH OF GREY had its moments -- there were many uplifting versions in the mid - late 80s..... and HELL IN A BUCKET and WEST LA -- they were good songs.

but next to one of the many far reaching DARK STAR>ST STEPHEN>ELEVENs that are out there, or one of the best EYES OF THE WORLD>CHINA DOLLs.... sorry man -- somewhere along the long strange trip the magic became very elusive, hard to find. it is ridiculous to think that they could sustain what they did from 67-77 -- it was the most amazing, meteoric rise to artistry that any sort of "BAND" had ever pulled off -- and all under absolutely insane, rigorous conditions.

i mean, they were like Picasso or something, but better -- doing it as a group of 6 or 7, and by extension 50 or 60, (all told, the minimum number of people it might take to pull off a concert on any given night....) not just ONE SINGULAR INDIVIDUAL ARTIST -- but an entire operation -- a community of people that sculpted a CUTTING EDGE METAPHYSICAL/SOCIAL/COMMUNAL EXPERIENCE on a very high ARTISTIC PLANE.

they shot themselves through will, guile and skill to the upper atmosphere of all-time Human artistic endeavor. and then they somehow managed to maintain interest for an additional 32 years.... and IT persists still.

This post was modified by He Live's on 2009-01-25 07:19:22